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Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2012, 05:25:28 PM »

And if you look at other animals we have today, that have branched off and thrived in different environments, they all follow the same basic pattern which can be traced back to common ancestors or points in time where it 'split' and developed into two different species. Like the eye is often considered to be the most complex thing we have, or at least, it's always used in this argument (Paley's Watch - watch is complex = designed by watchmaker, eye is complex = designed by god). But if you look at other animals alive today, most have quite similar eye systems, to the extent that we can look at other animals and tell if they see in colour, or how well they see, or all number of things, just by how they relate to our own eyes and how we see the world. We can't climb inside a dog and see how they see, but we know from our understanding of the eye, that dogs can't see colour too well. A long long time ago, when mammals began to rule the earth (very small mammals), we all shared the same eye. Then through mutations and different environments, different species were 'born' which either had enhanced the eye or lost the use of it but still thrived in environments where sight wasn't needed. Fast forward millions and millions of years, and we have humans, that have developed quite sophisticated eyes that suit our environment.

Also you have to think about the slow passage of time. It's easy to look at how suited an elephant is to its landscape or how bats hunt at night and so have sonar and are blind, and think 'they're perfectly designed for how they need to live'. But that's just an illusion because we're only alive for a blink of an eye of their whole existence and evolution. Elephants today have such wide feet because that mutation helped elephant ancestors survive in such harsh environments, for example. And what we now consider bats, as they are today, are that way because at some time an ancestor had a very basic version of sonar and it helped him eat more because he could hunt in the dark and catch things unaware. Then it had a baby that also shared that mutation, and eventually along this line a bat was born with a stronger sense of sonar. Obviously I'm simplifying it, for my own benefit more than anything, but basically eventually we have today's bats that hunt exclusively (I think) using sonar at night, because it helped them survive.

And like Gopher said, I respect if you keep your opinion about life being too complex for evolution, that's fine. But from the evidence I've seen and from what I understand about Evolution, it is basically irrefutable. Until new evidence suggest to me otherwise, the theory of evolution is the best we have at explaining the present.
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Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2012, 05:33:41 PM »

I know evolution didn't just happen. Been happening for millions of years. I just believe that the human body and the world is far too complex to have just happened from the big bang and evolution. For me I ask myself what caused the big bang to happen? And how did evolution start?. There probably are logical answers for that which I don't know. I just think everything is too complex to have happened through science.

I watched this documentary about this particle of light that got shot between a slice in a piece of paper. Instead of coming out in one particle, it came out in three particles. I'm sure Hazzy has seen that documentary because I remember talking to you about it. But since I watched that, I can't accept Scientific reasons for everything. Whereas I did before.
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2012, 05:55:54 PM »

Primarily, we only deal with Americans, but after hours we've had Brits call because their lines are closed. We can help them or we can refer them back, it's kind of at our discretion.

Just called for help.  Was it you?
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2012, 06:13:48 PM »

Nope, I took a sick day today. :yes:
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2012, 06:24:13 PM »

  • I watched this documentary about this particle of light that got shot between a slice in a piece of paper. Instead of coming out in one particle, it came out in three particles. I'm sure Hazzy has seen that documentary because I remember talking to you about it. But since I watched that, I can't accept Scientific reasons for everything. Whereas I did before.

    I don't know but I know the experiment you're talking about. But the thing is, science does have an explanation for that. And because science can't find an explanation is even more of a reason to be behind science. Because that's what science does, it searches for answers. It's always looking, testing, finding something, trying to explain it. And when it finds something it gives it to everyone else so they can look and see if they agree or come to different conclusions, until some kind of consensus is reached (if it ever is). Religious explanations fill in the gaps with 'god did it'. They stop. They find something, can't explain it, and don't try to.

    Going back to the light thing you mentioned, if you're really interested, which I doubt, then I'd recommend watching A Night with the Stars with Brian Cox. It teaches you about things but in a digestible way, the idea being Brian Cox teaches celebrities about science. It's funny and interesting, and one of the experiments he does and talks about is that light splitting thing. And by the end of it I think it silences anyone (not you) that thinks science is cold and distant unlike religion which is 'human and loving'. His conclusion blew my mind. Anyway, if you have nothing else to do for an hour:

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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #35 on: February 05, 2012, 07:14:12 PM »

    good job fucking up the thread guys...
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »

    At least the heat is off me...
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #37 on: February 06, 2012, 07:12:24 AM »

    Hey, I'm enjoying the debate, who wants to read about GunGrave and Illy anyway? :lol:
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #38 on: February 06, 2012, 08:34:21 AM »

  • Evolution occurs to test our faith.
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #39 on: February 06, 2012, 12:51:19 PM »

    Well.. got a little off topic there didn't we boys???????????????  :lol:
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #40 on: February 06, 2012, 05:41:41 PM »

    Queen for admin!
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #41 on: February 07, 2012, 12:29:36 AM »

    Hey, I'm enjoying the debate, who wants to read about GunGrave and Illy anyway? :lol:

    more than anyone who wants to talk about el jackal
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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #42 on: February 07, 2012, 07:19:14 AM »

  • Hey, I'm enjoying the debate, who wants to read about GunGrave and Illy anyway? :lol:

    more than anyone who wants to talk about el jackal

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    Re: [Quarter 1] 2012 WX Forum Roll Call
    « Reply #43 on: February 07, 2012, 07:24:43 AM »

    Guys come on, please can we get this thread back on topic.


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    « Reply #44 on: February 10, 2012, 05:05:23 AM »

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