As I have said, 411 is NOT a bad place, it isn't fair that a few losers are giving the board a bad rep. Granted, there are assholes there, but you'll find that anywhere you go. Just because they have no lives doesn't mean the forum isn't good and the people, overall, aren't nice and smart. Chances are it's the same five losers spamming these boards that cause trouble over at 411.